How is COVID19 where you live?

They weren’t ‘essential.’ They were closed. Those that weren’t already in the most affected areas like Atlanta and Albany and surrounding counties were closed when the statewide order took affect.

They are now among the first businesses to be allowed to reopen. Though, local government has a say. Many counties and cities had restrictions in place before the state-wide order.

Georgia is also a state where local control is the norm. I know of a few other states like that - Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas. Their state constitutions are modeled after the U.S. Constitution. Where state’s rights supersede federal government in the U.S. Constitution, local authorities have rights that supersede State government in those State constitutions.

So, it might sound strange to those who aren’t familiar with it, but to many in those states, a statewide ‘order’ was something uncomfortable. It was new territory that hadn’t been considered before. A governor ‘forcing’ a ‘local’ business to close was unprecedented. Took a while to even figure out if it was legal under the State constitution.

I had not. LoL.

Though… Aren’t there ‘shows’ watched from behind glass? Or is that just in the movies? … Dirty Harry? Some movie I’ve seen with it…

The original ‘social’ distancing.

First time i’m sure things are going to go badly.

Florida, and now Texas are no longer going to
report or submit covid-19 reports to the public or cdc/WHO.
Originally it was just weird inconsistencies reporting hospitals
saw in their data vs what the FL Governors office released.
Now after holding back the report for 9 days in FL, thus inquires
were being made. Then:

The Palm Beach County Medical Examiner used to provide a spreadsheet of its COVID-related deaths, but was directed last week by county and state attorneys to stop releasing it…

Followed up by

Texas Lt. Governor states; Lists of this nature are no longer relevant or necessary, because the state is opening.

another gem:

Based on the governor’s order (Abbot), local authorities can no longer fine or penalize people who refuse to cover their faces in public places where it’s difficult or impossible to remain 6 feet apart from others. To facilitate opening of the state.
(capitalization error theirs)

Indiana and Iowa are expected to follow suit. So sticking your
head in the sand and no longer counting sick or dead will stop
this from making people unwell?

Iowa also dumped it’s first unannounced ‘sick bus’ of patients
into a western Illinois emergency room. No explanation given.
Patients were apparently all showing CoviD-19 symptoms and
in various Iowa emergency rooms. “They were directed to board
and then were taken by bus, driven by an Iowa state corrections officer,
to a neighboring state’s hospital.” While this has happened in the
past with mental health patients, this is the first time with CoviD-19.
Patient dumping is illegal, and courts have fined hosptials in the past.

I’m having a hard time understanding these things.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/495295-florida-ordered-coroners-to-stop-releasing-coronavirus-death-data-report

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Texas was ranked 49 out of 50 for testing anyways. That will make little difference in the #s. That’s why we’re doing so “great”, low #s, etc. :wink:

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Scratches head at Poetry’s post

Why would they do that with the sick bus. Is that to make the bordering state look worse than them?

Hashberry is that the same logic by not testing equals smaller numbers?

People are very good at thinking of ways to ‘disappear’ problems by making it someone else’s problem :smiley:

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Did you see this in the news? WWII British Vet raises Millions for charity during outbreak.
Receives over 120K in BD cards, BD greetings from the Queen, promotion to Colonel, and a Flyover.

/Salute Captain Tom

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Sadly, I have never expected things to go well. I am in the process of making my family masks with n95 equivalent filter inserts. I’m sure that all the idiots in the stores, etc that refuse to wear any face covering are the ones most likely to be infectious. I am going to treat the world as if I’m working in the lab until there is a vaccine.

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I keep seeing articles talking about a vaccine coming…

But I confess to being skeptical.

No safe vaccine for any coronavirus has ever been developed. SARS, MERS, the common cold.

It would be great, but a medical first and a major scientific breakthrough. And quickly?

If I were betting, I’d be betting it finishes spreading before a vaccine is approved.

Maybe someone with a real medical background could weigh in with how COVID-19 is different from other coronavirus that makes a vaccine possible? My money is on hoping for a treatment - while there is also no specific treatment for SARS or MERS, it seems more ‘possible’ than a vaccine. Though that also may be less than ‘probable,’ I guess.

I am a cynic by nature reinforced by decades of experience… The stereotype for cynical old men could be based on me. So hopefully it is just my pessimistic bias.

But - a pessimist is an optimist with experience.

Ayup.

There is a british potential vaccine which has been in development for the last 5 years. It been developed as a universal vaccine package that only needs a payload for the new vaccine. 90 % of it has been tested safe already, clinical trials started on human patients last week . If things go to plan they will have 1 million doses by August. it’s a start anyway

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/oxford-uk-drug-giant-to-develop-anti-covid-19-vaccine/1824625

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That would be wonderful.

This is kind of curious though: “Phase I clinical trials of the Oxford vaccine on humans started last week with hundreds of volunteers aged 18-55 …”

I guess it makes sense to test it only on the ‘safe’ population. But I wonder, do they extrapolate to the vulnerable population or if it will need specific testing for that first…

Or is it meant, perhaps, to hopefully reduce it ‘in the wild’ so it is less like for the vulnerable to contract it…

/shrug Wondering out loud

This is by far the best option for all viruses we see around the world, and I certainly hope this moves forward successfully. Being in process for 5 years is a much better premise for a successful outcome. And not only for one virus, but for a boatload of them that inhabit the world today. Many which pop up periodically over the years including those that tend to mutate from one year to the next like our “common” cold and flu.

This idea has been floating around for some time but I do not think many politicians worry about the health of their own constituents, let alone even bother to check into any research to help address the many viruses that abound in our world. I doubt, if they did worry, they would consider supporting research for it…unless they felt it to be the only way to gain re-election.

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Not a bad way to approach this outbreak, it seems.
As for vaccine, there are no good answers as to when.
Now SARS is a good analogy. MERS and common cold are not.
I mean this as educational not critical.

The rate of variants or outright mutation production is the first factor.
How fast is this changing? Here we fall into lines like Influenza.
Meaning there is good hope that a safe vaccine is in our future.
Key word: Future. Ok now for some education and info dump.
This is long. Get a drink and a stretch first.

SARS, is tricky. As is SARS-CoV-2. That’s it’s name.
So Think HIV —> AIDS. Now you have
SARS-CoV-2 —> CoviD-19
(Co) Corona type (vi) virus. Disease (D) noted in - 20(19)
Before you ask :point_down:
Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome - CoronaVirus
Second variant (the 2) of the genus Betacoronavirus

Ok. Great. But what does that mean to you?
We have only seen two variants. The first mutated one is SARS Cov-2,
and the first with human to human transfer is CoviD-19.
SARS had no vaccine because it would be a bird or civet vaccine,
not a human one. It was acquired through a vector transfer, not
as a same species contagion. It was still scary and deadly enough
to get the response it did. Rightfully so.

So that’s the complex history oversimplified there.
But you get the idea. We are ignorant. This is just starting.

Next up. Antibodies. We simply do not know if humans retain them
long term to the -L and -N variants. This is a very early stage, and people
are acting both impatient or frightened without the benefit of wisdom.
While people are making strong advances towards isolating this,
motivated by the survival of our race and a mix of greed. If we cannot
retain the antibodies, things will get strange and different. That’s a whole
three beer discussion for a different day.

Safety. Vaccines are tricky. They can do more harm than good
if administered wrong. No. I am faaaar from anti-vax this is just
a statement of fact. The whole Resident Evil storyline was
based on a real Disaster Preparedness scenario. Fictionalized
to the extreme, but the concept is sound. What if we find the children
of people given the vaccine are sterile, after the whole population is
vaccinated? A real danger since the mRNA design of some anti-viral
vaccines does mess with such things.

Again not a scare tactic to stockup on shotguns and zombie repentant.
Not a pro-anti-vax statement. Real dangers exist so testing is through.
Politics plays a role here because some folks want a cure yesterday
so they can claim it was them (what scientists and doctors?)
who solved the problem.
Can i get a high-5 cynical bro. Ok, perhaps a respectful bow 6.5’ apart.

Bottom line?
Cutting restrictions and testing creates weird false positives.
Creates real possibility for dangers. Testing is lengthy

Lastly we have herd immunity, population density (not how dense
the population is mentally, though that is a factor too), and exposed
intermingling.
Start with the last. You hear of avian swine civet pangolin whatever
transfer or ‘gene hop.’ we have found dog foot pads and domestic
felines can act as active vectors. The main vector though is people,
with this outbreak. Why? Most people are not symptomatic yet have
been not only exposed but are on track to be quite unwell (or in some
cases barely unwell). During this period they transmit.
This allows a lot of intermingling, transmission, and possible retention
of multiple variants to create mutations within the actively affected
species. You know. Us. So opening things up too early not only creates
a second wave, but increases the chances of mutations or a whole new
even more dangerous strain. Vaccines are only useful if mutation and
transmission can be controlled (forgot this was about vaccines eh?).

That ties in with population density. You need other humans to
transmit this variant in it’s current form. Other critters can carry it
but we’re the main vector species transferring it to them. You then
need proximity. Remove or limit these and you limit the R0 or rate of
infection, in simple terms. Look to historical plagues for when R0
is not controlled or understood. Right now we have a mixed bag of
understanding this particular virus.

In most of our lifetimes(being old timers) the entire of population
that took to get to it’s number. Global population when we were young.
Has more than doubled. Woah. Thousands of years vs a few decades.
We are a disease playground waiting to happen and we’ve been slow
to appreciate this. To be honest this is a gentle first lesson. A reminder,
that Polio, Black Death, and Influenza '18 was real.

Herd Immunity. Ok this is math and my wheelhouse. So to not
get crazy in what i forget is not common parlance. I link.
before you clicky said link , i shall give the Tl;DR

When enough of the effected species becomes resistant to
a contagion the transmission stops because not enough
living population are able to transfer it.

I hope this helped with understanding.
Yes this did oversimplify a lot but tried to not be misleading.
This should be enough data to get the right searches up for
your own answers from experts that have posted credible
and peer reviewed documents.

Questions must be accompanied with a cookie/biscuit.
Because I’m all out and want one with my tea.

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Been following that myself.
There are a lot of questions about it’s effectiveness here
as it could not even recognize SARS. Right now development
in the current state it, would need regular (as in more than once a year)
applications.

AstraZeneca also refused to open it up to peer review in the past.
Right now they only will give a limited release of data for peer review
sometime next week. There are even some suspicions the reapplication
is built in for profit reasons.

The CanSino copy is imperfect and has even had fatalities.
Which raises eyebrows too, if reapplication is needed.

Oh and…Yes, there are a lot of jokes about it being called Chad.

Thank you, thank you, and thank you.

Gave it a read and it is helpful. Enough that I’m going to give it a re-read or two, or three with some searches in between.

It is very helpful. Thank you, too, for the simplifications. The ‘news’ articles are not helpful since - though ‘simple’ - they are all so biased one way or the other it is hard to figure out what has been left out to support the desired ‘headline.’ The supporting studies are too specialized for me to understand. (Understandably - ‘layman’ is not the audience.)

Mind you, judging from your explanation it looks like another reason I might be having a hard time finding ‘the seed of truth’ in the respective spin in the various articles is that ‘nobody really knows for sure’ is the root of it all.

High-5 :raised_hand_with_fingers_splayed:

LOL - love that. Another high-5 :raised_hand_with_fingers_splayed:

I read this article that’s somewhat above the ‘simple’ level, but very interesting:

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lol Mental density can actually be a major factor in how folks react to things, or not. I’ve run in to my share of “dense” individuals and so many have no idea what they are talking about.

:rofl:

Thanks for that explanation, by the way. It was very informative.

I am not that knowledgeable when it comes to the medical or related fields, however, my sister just retired from it. Over the years, she was my go to for explanations and she was very good at plain words for things I had to search the dictionary for, then still not understand because of …jargon.

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Since you have gotten your Knowledge and Lore:Virus
to level two, then this might not be out of your reach.
It’s not so much we as a species were ignorant,
as in we were going that way, but leisurely.

It’s good for graphical learning. Plus, those with
kids at home who are Jr High and HS level this
might even be helpful for your homeschooling.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01221-y

Enjoy!

Post your reading the article edit:
Almost forgot. My gut says the Blue Line will win.
Specifically mRNA testing methods, and attacks
that interrupt or corrupt viral replication in cells.

It also has that SARS monkey mention.
Which has gone noplace since SARS (original flavor),
is largely not around.

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That is a thing of beauty. Perhaps Knowledge and Lore:Virus
level two or three, but not so complex you need to do a skills
reset to understand it. It also touches on why our population size
is now a factor. We’re large enough, population wise, for human
variants to have their own mutations. Created just through the act
of an outbreak.

It also hints at, but does not openly explain, why our cultural need
to ‘open up’ things again is going to kick our ass if we are unwise
in that implementation.

Thank you Splutty! :sparkling_heart:
I missed this one or ignored it.
I should not have.

Edit:Speech to text working against me.
Cleared up two sentences that needed
less familiar speech, to be understood.

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